In this episode, Annick van Rinsum, joined by Joost de Graaf from PublicSpaces, speaks with Ethan Zuckerman. Ethan is the founder and director of the Digital Public Infrastructure Initiative at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and an associate professor of Public Policy, Information and Communication. They talk about participatory media, online free speech, Elon Musk acquiring twitter, about his book Mistrust: Why Losing Faith in Institutions Provides the Tools to Transform Them, his ideas about online space, democracy and social change, and his admiration for the Dutch pillarisation system. Do you want to know more about this topic? Join the Public Spaces conference The Time is NOW! on 17th and 18th of may at 10 a.m. till 5 p.m. in Pakhuis de Zwijger.